Curse

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 14, 2005, 08:50 PM // 20:50

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Originally Posted by Kuku Monk

It pays to mainly solo! I rarely pay attention to people's names or the jibber jabber going on in the towns. I don't think it's Anet's responsibility to police society's disfunctions, but that's just me. Is it really that hard to turn the chat off, ignore a person, or stop reading people's names?

In essence I agree with you Kuku, I'm not out actively "hunting" game violators; but you shouldn't have to kick your filter up to max or turn off all local, trade and emote chat in order to not have your face flushed with embarrassment from the morons exhibiting socially repugnant behavior.

I'd like to say that it just the "kids" doing this, but the sad truth is most of the abusers are typically in the 18+ crowd.

I believe the general consensus is to go after the violators - not tell everyone else to ignore it. That's sort of along the lines of shooting your pig because he watched the fox eat your chickens...

spikydude · Jun 14, 2005, 08:55 PM // 20:55

People who are not polite in towns, and people who shout out inappropriate comments to the opposing team in PVP, and people who draw penises on the mini-map annoy me very much. I mean c'mon grow up!

Crystal Nightingale: As far as drawings on minimaps are concerned, I think that there was one post way back that suggested a minimap color be assigned to each member of team. Like that whenever someone draws on the map, you will know who's drawing, and if they are drawing inappropriate things, you can report them.

DarrenJasper · Jun 14, 2005, 09:00 PM // 21:00

Honestly, the middle school caliber names don't bother me nearly as much as all the chest-thumping from the other camp. "YALL BETTER WATCH OUT I'M A REPORTING MASTER AND I'LL GET YOU BANNED!!" If you want to report names that bother you in your own good time, fine. But all the posturing is just ridiculous. Don't make yourself out as some instrument of divine judgement.

Which is to say nothing of anyone who uses the term "obviously offensive". Offensive material is 100% a matter of opinion, and the only opinion that matters in this case is ANet's. It's like the bible thumper who insist that Allah is "obviously" the devil... Dead air.

Now what follows is just my opinion, but I'm honestly amazed that anyone can get so worked up about some childish names. Unless you were home-schooled, I'm sure it's nothing you didn't get plenty of in grade school. Every time someone made a fart joke, did you demand they be suspended? If it didn't bother you as a kid, I don't see why it should bother you as a (presumably) mature adult. Or why a sexual reference like "Engulf Mynuts" bothers you while a Victoria's Secret ad in a magazine doesn't.

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 14, 2005, 09:27 PM // 21:27

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

Honestly, the middle school caliber names don't bother me nearly as much as all the chest-thumping from the other camp. "YALL BETTER WATCH OUT I'M A REPORTING MASTER AND I'LL GET YOU BANNED!!" If you want to report names that bother you in your own good time, fine. But all the posturing is just ridiculous. Don't make yourself out as some instrument of divine judgement.

Which is to say nothing of anyone who uses the term "obviously offensive". Offensive material is 100% a matter of opinion, and the only opinion that matters in this case is ANet's. It's like the bible thumper who insist that Allah is "obviously" the devil... Dead air.

Now what follows is just my opinion, but I'm honestly amazed that anyone can get so worked up about some childish names. Unless you were home-schooled, I'm sure it's nothing you didn't get plenty of in grade school. Every time someone made a fart joke, did you demand they be suspended? If it didn't bother you as a kid, I don't see why it should bother you as a (presumably) mature adult. Or why a sexual reference like "Engulf Mynuts" bothers you while a Victoria's Secret ad in a magazine doesn't.

Darren your attempt at moral relativism is better suited to a secularist vs. allah forum, not here.
I suggest you go read the naming policy - its quite specific. We don't need anyone of your "obvious" caliber to enlighten us with "Evil is not really evil but live spelled backwards" mentality.

Entertaining? Certainly.
Annoying? Without a doubt.

Drive through, nothing to see here.

Tal

DarrenJasper · Jun 14, 2005, 10:05 PM // 22:05

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

Darren your attempt at moral relativism is better suited to a secularist vs. allah forum, not here.
I suggest you go read the naming policy - its quite specific. We don't need anyone of your "obvious" caliber to enlighten us with "Evil is not really evil but live spelled backwards" mentality.

Entertaining? Certainly.
Annoying? Without a doubt.

Drive through, nothing to see here.

Tal

Laffo. Was that the only sentence you read in my post? I had a feeling using that example would distract you from the point, which was that you can't just say "it's obvious" and expect that to carry your argument.

So, way to dodge around answering any of the other things I pointed out and bring in examples of my personal philosophy (of which there was actually very little in my post) in order to distract everyone. How about I just quote the part you should pay attention to this time?

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

Now what follows is just my opinion, but I'm honestly amazed that anyone can get so worked up about some childish names. Unless you were home-schooled, I'm sure it's nothing you didn't get plenty of in grade school. Every time someone made a fart joke, did you demand they be suspended? If it didn't bother you as a kid, I don't see why it should bother you as a (presumably) mature adult. Or why a sexual reference like "Engulf Mynuts" bothers you while a Victoria's Secret ad in a magazine doesn't.

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 14, 2005, 11:46 PM // 23:46

You still miss the point Darren.
Offensive is as offensive does.
Perhaps you can explain to me the roleplaying aspect of "Engulf Mynuts"?

I have control over who sees a Victoria's secret magazine ad, but I don't over other players in Guild Wars. I use the easy to understand filter:
"Would I be upset if my child saw this and asked me about it?"

Problem solved - no home schooling required.
Again, you seek to reduce to the absurd that which is clearly spelled out and understood to be offensive. There really isn't any wiggle room here. I understand your reasons for debate, but its a simple black and white issue.

Talesin

DarrenJasper · Jun 15, 2005, 12:00 AM // 00:00

Well I was hoping to get at some of your personal reasons for being offended but I guess that's not going to happen and, since the ANet policy is set in stone there's no use in debating the morality.

But you should keep in mind that Guild Wars is designated as a teen game, and the naming enforcement will never be perfect. If your main concern is what your kids are being exposed to, maybe the responsible thing to do is not let them play?

Numa Pompilius · Jun 15, 2005, 12:51 AM // 00:51

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Originally Posted by DrSLUGFly

I've not noticed ANYBODY playing the fool, except for trade spammers. Perhaps I've been lucky... perhaps it's just the difference between Europe and American servers... or perhaps it's not so common.

Funny you should say that, I was thinking the exact same thing. The last abuse I saw was over a week ago, a nutter in Ascalon spamming "give me gold" once per second.
(if he had actually role-played being a beggar, I'd have given him some gold)
I've never seen any racist remarks, nor, as far as I can remember, any four-letter words, although I may have typed some myself when missions have gone bad. And I'm now well over 100 hours into the game.

It'd be interesting to hear if anyone's played both international/european servers and US servers, and if they've noticed any difference wrt abuse levels?

ManadartheHealer · Jun 15, 2005, 01:13 AM // 01:13

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Originally Posted by DarrenJasper

But you should keep in mind that Guild Wars is designated as a teen game, and the naming enforcement will never be perfect. If your main concern is what your kids are being exposed to, maybe the responsible thing to do is not let them play?

If it is rated T, then every name must acceptable for the average 13 year old, not for anyone younger.

Tactical-Dillusions · Jun 15, 2005, 05:38 AM // 05:38

A friend (well, someone i know in-game) whispered me to say that he had been in an arguement with someone and he had called him a name of some sorts. He told me this person had threatened to get him kicked from the game for being abusive.
I said it's not a good idea to argue..just apologise to him and move on.

My friend said "good idea".

I don't know if he did apologise to this person but i never heard from him after that for a little while.

Funny thing was a got another message later saying "I just got kicked from the game for two hours!"

LMFAO Well done customer support! I don't condone any bad behaviour...even from "friends".

DrSLUGFly · Jun 15, 2005, 06:33 AM // 06:33

2 hours huh? Nice to know they have a less-than-capital punishment also...

Luna Deerskin · Jun 15, 2005, 09:27 AM // 09:27

Well, we homeschooled our daughter, and she's as sick and twisted as we are. I say that proudly.

She's also going to be 20 soon, so if she played GW what she saw and read would roll off her back the way it does with us. But then, we've never hidden anything from her or "forbidden" her knowledge. (i.e., she knew what a penis was from the time she asked "what's that?" when seeing nudes in an art book)

But, many parents are deeply offended by "words".(I personally don't see how a word is inheritantly "bad") And they count on Devs in games to make rules so their kids aren't harmed. Our daughter is not offended by words unless used in a racist or sexist way to hurt. But young many kids see a four-letter word and gasp, feeling guilty they are reading them at all. I'm not talking about 13 years old and up-most of them have heard every expletive there is by that age. I mean the younger kids who may be playing. I personally would not let my daughter play GW at 13 or younger. Why?

Well, because I know there idiots in these games. I saw someone with the word "pedophile" in their name. For those that don't know what that is, it's an adult who molests children-tries to or does have sex with them. And as sick and twisted as I am, I find that's neither witty nor funny. Just sick and wrong. Just to bring the point on home, I was molested as a kid, and if I were a 15 year-old playing GW, it would really bother me to see the word "pedophile" in someone's name. I would feel abused all over again.

So while I agree with Free Speech and the right to have whatever name you want, I also see why some people are offended. That's why the Devs make rules...

Genos · Jun 15, 2005, 10:12 AM // 10:12

aye, im with Luna... Engulf mynuts.. urgh, please shot that person. thats wrong.. also, teen game? please, dont get me wrong, but i watch - i have seen parents say okay to kids wanting GtA Saint Andres.. and these kids are 11...

lets try and keep the gmae as clean as possible please - Areanets two-part name thing seems to have gone a long way towards this - now lets clean up the final nasty spills.

if its offensive - shoot it. preferably with a nuke (its not overkill if it dosent get back up...)

Kari · Jun 15, 2005, 11:18 AM // 11:18

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

Are they funny? some may think perhaps.
Appropriate? Absolutely Not.
Children also play this game.

You will most likely find that it is the children who play this game that are causing you this distress.

Mistress Eyahl · Jun 15, 2005, 11:36 AM // 11:36

For some people, the desire to have the last word is when conflict with immature ars*wipes becomes a problem.

People who reply with: I'm gona f*ck*n report u!! u muth*f*ck*n p*ssy ur so f*ckn gay!!! this sword rocks u f*ckin noob! go to bed!!! ur momma eats sh*t and ur father smells of elderberries.... or, something...

But are people like that ever gonna be stopped one way or another?

I'm totally sick of making it known IN chat that I'm reporting someone now. Most of the time I go "NameHere, stop spamming or I'll report you" cos they don't respond to whispers. I say three more times and that's it and I type 1, 2, 3.. then I actually post a ticket about a suspected bot cos.. well, either that or they're bored n blind. I did that quite a few times, but 30% of the time I'd get shit on by OTHER players, and be called full of bullshit. Like, I was just threatening or something. So now I keep quiet and don't talk in chat as much. The spammers and morons just wind me up.

EcPercy · Jun 15, 2005, 03:12 PM // 15:12

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Originally Posted by PieXags

Anyways, I personally only report names that I am offended by. I don't find them often. Sometimes I just make up names like that, add them to my friends list and see if it's actually a person. Then I go party with them if I can.

Then I report them.

That is about the crappiest thing I have read. People like this make me not want to even play the game.

Do you think that it is necessary to try and get as many people banned from the game as you can???

I have some friends that have questionable names and they don't bother anyone. In fact they are in a guild and they don't really do anything but GvG battles.

This game has gone straight to crap. I am not impressed anymore and I will not be getting any expansions. This game is absolutely no fun because you are now getting crap items, if any, for fighting tons of mobs. (no I am not trying to farm) That coupled with the crappy players dropping out during a hard mission (making me only use guildmates and hench)

Isn't there an age limit for even buying the game? There should be an age limit for being able to play it too.

This is what you get for a game that has no monthly fee. I will be getting Battlefield 2 and will just stick with CS:S and BF2.

EchoSex · Jun 15, 2005, 03:37 PM // 15:37

OH god the minimap *Slaps face on desk* Penses aplenty drawn upon that little thing. You should be able to disable that thang so you cant see it, or atleast see the name of whoever is putting a big schlong on your screen.

zman_acura · Jun 15, 2005, 05:36 PM // 17:36

I was a guy with a name. I think it was...Grabbin Myass. Nevertheless when i saw it i laughed but it was still disturbing. I agree with this guy. Some names shouldn't be allowed.

Talesin Darkbriar · Jun 15, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

It's funny really...
Everytime anyone posts a topic like this, there is always a hue and cry about "civil rights being violated, free speech being trampled, and the right to have sex with farm animals abused."

Puh-leez.

It's just plain old-fashioned common sense and common courtesy.
If you take the same situation and apply it to real life, how long would it be tolerated if you insisted on yelling expletives in a crowded shopping mall, or wearing a large name tag proudly displaying your name as a sexual perversion? Better yet - try both at an elementary school; preferably parochial.
Inappropriate? Of course not! Civilized behavior is soooooo overrated.
/dripping sarcasm off.

This isn't rocket science or a secret society bent on world domination; it's an open discussion and debate regarding naming policies and appropriate behavior.

I don't care if anyone gets angry at a bad wipe in a battle and yell "Oh F*** it!" We all get mad once in a while!
I do care when you go on nonstop for 5 minutes straight, and then proceed to carry on the rant in the nearest town or mission zone.
Get your pacifier, take a time-out in the corner, change your pampers, whatever!

May I propose a /spanking emote?
That might do wonders...

Perfect example:
Yesterday in Pre-searing Ascalon there was a group of people indulging in a very vocal, very explicit, roleplaying of fellatio. Of course, the lead moron was named "Jizzshooting master" - what could one possibly expect?

The others had normal names. I asked in whisper for them to please knock it off, and they complied - problem over.
"Mr. Master" however got reported for both his idiot name, and his apparent need to roleplay out his sexual cravings.

Plain...common...sense...
nothing else.

May your skills prevail,

Talesin

ManadartheHealer · Jun 15, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Talesin Darkbriar

May I propose a /spanking emote?
That might do wonders...

It would do wonders for increasing the rate of sexual harassment

. Imagine the Elementalists after the implementation